Comments on: The edges of knowledge: Wikipedia tailings and dross http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html Ned Gulley's Blog. Resident buzzwords: synthetic biology, ambient displays, swarm robotics, wise crowds. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:05:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: matt http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51161 matt Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:54:16 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51161 It was Friedrich Nietzsche. "When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Yeah no small conversations vast small minds. If you happen to grab hold of a lightning rod, you aren't thinking for yourself...for long. Haha. If you happen to grab hold of a snake it better hope it isn't poisonous. Best of all "The truth is incontrovertible. Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it, malice may distort it, but there it is." Winston Churchill It was Friedrich Nietzsche. “When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.”

Yeah no small conversations vast small minds.

If you happen to grab hold of a lightning rod, you aren’t thinking for yourself…for long. Haha.

If you happen to grab hold of a snake it better hope it isn’t poisonous.

Best of all
“The truth is incontrovertible.
Panic may resent it, ignorance may deride it,
malice may distort it, but there it is.” Winston Churchill

]]> By: Ned http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51148 Ned Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:41:16 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51148 By the way, I think it was Bil Keane who said that quote about the abyss. See http://www.starchamber.com/2007/03/the-nietzsche-family-circus.html By the way, I think it was Bil Keane who said that quote about the abyss. See http://www.starchamber.com/2007/03/the-nietzsche-family-circus.html

]]> By: Ned http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51066 Ned Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:10:25 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51066 This whole interchange reminds me how there's really no such thing as a small conversation on the web. If you happen to grab hold of a lightning rod, it's amazing what can happen. This whole interchange reminds me how there’s really no such thing as a small conversation on the web. If you happen to grab hold of a lightning rod, it’s amazing what can happen.

]]> By: JMike http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51047 JMike Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:54:37 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-51047 When I read comments like the above, I can't help but vaguely remember a quote - I don't think it was Goethe, I think it was Nietzsche maybe? about looking into the abyss and the abyss looking into you. But maybe neither of them ever said that (see Ned's later post). When I read comments like the above, I can’t help but vaguely remember a quote - I don’t think it was Goethe, I think it was Nietzsche maybe? about looking into the abyss and the abyss looking into you. But maybe neither of them ever said that (see Ned’s later post).

]]> By: read the rest http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-50571 read the rest Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:59:09 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-50571 Oh yeah read all about it and there's more. http://www.fireflysun.com/en.wikipedia.org.php Oh yeah read all about it and there’s more.

http://www.fireflysun.com/en.wikipedia.org.php

]]> By: read the rest http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-50565 read the rest Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:46:15 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-50565 By this point, it is common knowledge that the free, open source encyclopedia Wikipedia is a vehicle for intercontinental character assassination. A tool used to vent displeasure with the author of a book or gain upmanship in a flame war. While I was at it, I also thought some career slanderers in the alt.usenet.kooks "news group" had discovered and exploited the malfunctioning web site by creating an article defaming a number of individuals they'd been harassing in Usenet. ... leading one to speculate just how many such canards are circulating in Wikipedia, including any libelous references contained in User Pages and Talk Pages, which are located outside the main articles but which are indexed by the search engines nonetheless. (For details on this rather cunning cyber libel workaround, see my report on User pages). And what of the idea that anyone can edit Wikipedia? The only content that has any staying power in Wikipedia is that which is zone defensed by Wiki-gangs. Wiki-gangs are groups of individuals who form -- call it what you like -- "alliances," "strategic partnerships," "cooperative networks" -- which allows them to circumvent rules that limit individual users. Many of these gang members did not meet in Wikipedia, but in Usenet, and at some point discovered that Wikipedia could be a key gadget in what they call their bag of "loser attitude readjustment tools" (or "LART" for short). ========= The Usenet kooks and defamatation league are behind the article deletions and libel and meanwhile write their own article entries in Wikipedia hoping some fanwill love them as much as readers love writers like Vanna Bonta. She is anything but bogus. Vanna Bonta is, like her work or not, the real deal. By this point, it is common knowledge that the free, open source encyclopedia Wikipedia is a vehicle for intercontinental character assassination. A tool used to vent displeasure with the author of a book or gain upmanship in a flame war.

While I was at it, I also thought some career slanderers in the alt.usenet.kooks “news group” had discovered and exploited the malfunctioning web site by creating an article defaming a number of individuals they’d been harassing in Usenet.

… leading one to speculate just how many such canards are circulating in Wikipedia, including any libelous references contained in User Pages and Talk Pages, which are located outside the main articles but which are indexed by the search engines nonetheless. (For details on this rather cunning cyber libel workaround, see my report on User pages).

And what of the idea that anyone can edit Wikipedia? The only content that has any staying power in Wikipedia is that which is zone defensed by Wiki-gangs. Wiki-gangs are groups of individuals who form — call it what you like — “alliances,” “strategic partnerships,” “cooperative networks” — which allows them to circumvent rules that limit individual users. Many of these gang members did not meet in Wikipedia, but in Usenet, and at some point discovered that Wikipedia could be a key gadget in what they call their bag of “loser attitude readjustment tools” (or “LART” for short).
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The Usenet kooks and defamatation league are behind the article deletions and libel and meanwhile write their own article entries in Wikipedia hoping some fanwill love them as much as readers love writers like Vanna Bonta. She is anything but bogus. Vanna Bonta is, like her work or not, the real deal.

]]> By: matt klein http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-50353 matt klein Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:13:48 +0000 http://www.starchamber.com/2008/01/the-edges-of-knowledge-wikipedia-tailings-and-dross.html#comment-50353 A better way to learn about Quantum Fiction might be to read academic theses, essays and author interviews. Those sources sure beat the volunteer vested interests that plague Wikipedia. I checked this out and they even blocked the blood-bath citing "libel" against Vanna Bonta. So some people had it in for her. Unfortunately vandals, hackers, and competitors affect the ebb and flow of reliable information on Wikipedia. Vanna Bonta actually exists and there's a lot more reliable info about her than the ired party lines of self-appointed science fiction pundits beating their pundits because of bruised egos. Yep -- everybody knows the Bonta -Bashers bible and the group that wrote it. Anyone interested in substantive information about quantum fiction, I recommend Guayanese novelist Wilson Harris, who in 2002 said he realized he had been writing "quantum fiction." 1. ^ Theatre of the Arts: Wilson Harris and the Caribbean, by Hena Maes-Jelinek (2002) 2. ^ A Life in writing, by Maya Jaggi; The Guardian Dec. 16, 2006 3. ^ Fiction in the Quantum Universe, by Susan Strehle (Scholarly Book Services, June, 27, 2002) A better way to learn about Quantum Fiction might be to read academic theses, essays and author interviews. Those sources sure beat the volunteer vested interests that plague Wikipedia. I checked this out and they even blocked the blood-bath citing “libel” against Vanna Bonta. So some people had it in for her.

Unfortunately vandals, hackers, and competitors affect the ebb and flow of reliable information on Wikipedia.

Vanna Bonta actually exists and there’s a lot more reliable info about her than the ired party lines of self-appointed science fiction pundits beating their pundits because of bruised egos. Yep — everybody knows the Bonta -Bashers bible and the group that wrote it. Anyone interested in substantive information about quantum fiction, I recommend Guayanese novelist Wilson Harris, who in 2002 said he realized he had been writing “quantum fiction.”

1. ^ Theatre of the Arts: Wilson Harris and the Caribbean, by Hena Maes-Jelinek (2002)
2. ^ A Life in writing, by Maya Jaggi; The Guardian Dec. 16, 2006
3. ^ Fiction in the Quantum Universe, by Susan Strehle (Scholarly Book Services, June, 27, 2002)

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